at this point is how responsible the debate largely has been amongst policy makers, from president obama, to governor deval patrick, the message rightly has been one of resilience, inspired, i think, by the resilience of the people of boston. >> should we care whether it's terrorism in the sense of what the motivations were, whether they were ideological or political in some way, does that matter in terms how we, as a society, think about how to prevent it, how we should charge or punish the person who did it? >> it matters because we are a nation who has a particular relationship with violence, so, once something is defined as terrorism, it changes our relationship to how we think about who the perpetrator will be, depending on who is caught so that if the perpetrator is white and male, it will not be the kind of -- we will not think about it in terms of terrorism as if he were muslim. that's just the reality of how we think about terrorism. it becomes the -- >> we call timothy mcveigh a terrorist, don't we? >> we call timothy mcveigh a terrorist, but we do not deal with white men in am